RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:17 am

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Thread?? I thought this was where we voted for NZ's answer to Pop Idol.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:07 pm

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Somebody said jonny and the robba undermined other bands that needed funding more and yeah, but all bands need funding. And the guy was from epitome but epitome suck anyway so yeah, they're in the running for nz's gayest band.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:10 pm

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Oh i see you are in Jonny and the Robba ..

I have heard some very nasty rumours about you .

VERY nasty rumours.

NZ bands DO need more funding. Epitome have self funded EVERYTHING they have done.

half of Epitome are working 2 jobs - both full and part time to fund the shit that they have recorded, so im not going to take any bullshit from you.

Through our efforts, we have a single which has been put into rotation on The Rock, on C4, XSTV, The Jim Beam 120 on Juice, Kiwi, BFM, Triple J in Australia, and had spot play on MTV Europe.

Thats what HARD WORK gets you, not winning a fucking competition like you did.

go pull the other one fag - if any of us see you on the street, you better watch out.





This message was edited by Epitomised_Drummer on Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:32 pm.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:18 pm

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I'm not a fan of Epitome either but the difference between Epitome and Jonny and the Robba is that I've heard of Epitome outside of this forum. I didn't hear of Jonny and the Robba until I started reading this thread so it looks like Epitome are the one's who are on the right path here.

Also, I know this has been mentioned before, but I don't think all of this gaybashing that's going on is cool either. I understand that Epitomised_Drummer was probably pissed off considering all of the hard work that band has put in, but to call someone a "fag" as though it's a bad thing is totally not cool.

There are too many people hating other people because of their race, religion, gender etc without throwing in whether someone likes dicks or fanny's into the mix.

I like Epitome because they're a good example of where hard work and dedication can get you. And I don't like Epitome because I think their song writing is a bit flat. I like Jonny and the Robba because they've got a quirky name. And I don't like Jonny and the Robba because their music is...in my opinion...a bit shit. If they won a competition fairly then it was only due to the other bands being complete shit.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:18 pm

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I've heard much the same Carl.

From www.nzmusic.com







Even their fan thinks they are wankers.



This message was edited by simon_ishtar on Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:31 pm.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:29 pm

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They were up against Velez and Angelsound in round one of Launchpad.Enough people liked them to get them within a few per cent of taking the comp out but the fact was Velez were on 56% all the way through (I was watching cause I was trying to win some coke stuff on their site. I've since given up on that and am thinking its about as real as the million dollar readers digest things)
In the last day Jonny and the robba came through.

A few weeks later they went into musical sounds and got talking to Velez's keyboard player. They had an ad for a keyboardist and an urgent need for some instrumentation with an impending gig on Top of the pops. Apparently they were stupid enough to tell Lisa? from Velez that they had spent all day in an internet cafe making hotmail accounts and voting for themselves. Personally I don't knock them for cheating but for fucks sake what good does gloating about it do!


agreed.

This message was edited by simon_ishtar on Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:30 pm.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:01 pm

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My Bad.

I give my time on muzic.net.nz for free writing reviews on events, and releases by those NZ bands who are working hard for themselves.

I have done interviews with the likes of tempo 38 and stylus, and reviewed edgefest, and the nz music awards, and albums like 8 foot sativa, 48 may, sonic, etc etc the list goes on.

Have i ever written a bad thing about these bands ? NO do i like them all ? NO however - the thing is, these bands deserve CREDIT because they work REALLY hard for themselves.

Might i add, your website is crap jonny and the robba, you should get someone to design it properly.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Fri Apr 1, 2005 9:00 am

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I think anyone that writes for this site deserves a pat on the back as it's a fantastic way for muso's to get read about each other (..and get into arguements). But the thing is, if you're writing a review you pretty much have to be unbiased. The reason people can say "my band sucks, your band sucks, all of gods childrens bands suck!" in this thread is because we can say just about anything we like.

Let me put it to you using Blindspott as an example. If I were writing a review of Blindspott I'd be mentioning stuff like the fact that Blindspott have done wonders for opening up NZ acts in the Australasian market. And also that (as much of dork as he is) Shelton is a solid drummer. The production on their recordings are "very" good and they're one of the most energetic nu-metal/hardcore bands to see live.

See. as much as I think Blindspott lick balls they have their good points as well, there just aren't that many. Just like yourself when you mentioned you think hip-hop is crap, I used this thread to voice my negative opinion as well.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Fri Apr 1, 2005 11:09 am

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Oh my god, the bass player from some shitty band that won funding doesn't like your band! So you didn't win a comp, you're doing alright, I hope you guys sell your music and make a mint. That money is pretty much gone on the video and even then the director didn't even get paid. We saw none of that cash and you dudes seem to have way more exposure than we do so what the fuck are you complaining about? Everybody could do with free money and not everyone gets it however we happened to.
We tend to spend most of our limited resources to print posters and play heaps of shows to get around in the music scene as opposed to the music industry.
I don't really even know what the fuck I'm talking about but beating me up because the band I joined won some money and I said I don't like your band is fucken lame.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Fri Apr 1, 2005 6:28 pm

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Ok, now this is turning into a "let's beat up Jonny & The Robba"-fest.

Now for my two cents:
Carpentry - don't think you've doing yourself any favours by coming on and making a caustic comment aimed at Epitomised_Drummer. OK, he wasn't complementary about your band, and wasn't very nice about your first post, but you were making a nasty comment about his band, apparently based on nothing but the fact that he made a comment about the Launchpad incident. Defend your band by all means, but make a point.

I've been reading this site often enough to see there's a fair amount of bad feeling with some members of the forum for what Jonny & The Robba did with the Launchpad competition. True, it happens elsewhere (look at the Jack Live competition), but to be honest, I haven't seen or heard anything from Jonny & the Robba as a result of gigs, radio play, etc. So it pisses me off to see someone take funding and apparently waste it when other bands would have put it to good use. If you've shot a video, has it ever been played? Have you had radio airplay of any sort? That's what we all expect to see, and we expect to see or hear your name mentioned more that just on the music forums. I haven't heard a thing, and I do hear about a lot of stuff.

Oh, and Epitomised_Drummer, while I agree with your points, I don't agree with the outright bashing of this guy. Sure he bad-mouthed your band, and (from my point of view) is acting like an immature prick, but don't sink to his level...

Gayest band, gayest band. Can't think of one of the top of my head, but Ward 10's frontman has the appearance for it

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Fri Apr 1, 2005 11:03 pm

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I honestly dont understand why Velez didnt win the Coke Launchpad aye.. They are honestly such a good band that makes so many local bands look/sound like poo. I actually went to school with all those guys. (Hayden, Alistar, Lisa, David) All those guys are really mean musicians for their amount of experience (especially Dave and Alistar). They are all real serious about their music. Right Now Dave, Alistar and Hayden are doing Jazz at Auckland Uni. I dont know what Lisa is doing but Im pretty sure that shes persuing music somehow. I totally recommend all of you guys to see these guys at one of their gigs because man you'll honestly be surprised at how good/inspiring they are for their age. I reckon all of them put together could make a Sting (if you guys know what I mean )

This message was edited by the_groove_master on Fri Apr 1, 2005 11:05 pm.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Sun Apr 3, 2005 5:45 pm

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my apologies... as it happens I might not be clued up on this matter. It seems there is a back story to this launchpad shit that I didn't know about. As you may or may not know I wasn't in JandR when they won, I came along later to form the live band. I knew Jonny pulled some shit but I didn't know it pissed so many people off and getting hostility just because I'm in the band was crap.

We made a video that used all the money and it's been aired on Coke chart and C4. We've got an e.p. coming out soon-ish but like I said I had very little to do with how it was spent. In fact I think even jon and rob had little say over the matter.

Hopefully this will be seen as a minor misunderstanding and not some 'your band sucks coz you got money and didn't spend it how we would have' bullshit.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Mon Apr 4, 2005 1:24 pm

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Maybe you should try asking "jonny" what he has told other musicians about the money .. im not going to name any names, but from what i have been told, "jonny" openly told them that he ripped off the launchpad competition.

This is why i am damn verbal on the subject. The sources i have are reputable NZ musicians - and i i believe that those bands who may have been sold short on prizes (not my band personally) have a right to be angry.

If that is the case, and "jonny" did openly rip off the competition, then yes i do fully agree to an open beating in public.

thats theft ... and no bastard should get away with that.

As i said, im not speaking on behalf of myself, because we are doing fine without the help of competitions like launchpad, but those who could be doing even better with that money are not.

What would you think if you were in a NZ band, and missed out of a really good opportunity because someone ripped off a competition you had entered ? ...

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Mon Apr 4, 2005 2:36 pm

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Just a thought here, and I'm in no way commending Jonny & The Robba for what allegedly occurred, but shouldn't the organisers of the competition be held (at least partly) responsible?

To me, any competition where someone can fake votes, really undermines the integrity of that competition.

There are loads of ways to track multiple votes coming from the same person, and lets face it, these days not many people are 100% honest. Give them an inch, and they'll always take a mile. People running these online competitions via voting really need to look at the authenticity of the people making the votes.

And if anyone does want a voting system that can't be rigged, get in touch and I'll make one for you (for a price)

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Mon Apr 4, 2005 3:52 pm

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Jonny sometimes doesn't realise the consequences of his actions. I don't want to betray a band member but if I get beat up by Epitome for some shitty shit jonny pulled I'm gonna be pissed off and confused, which may result in me not realising the consequences of certain actions.

I'm pretty much saving my own ass. Slimy and sifty I may be, but a rock-band-beating is something I'm eager to avoid.
Your anger is justified but perhaps misdirected.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Mon Apr 4, 2005 4:42 pm

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fair enough carpentry, no point beating up on you.
for your info check out
http://www.nzmusic.com/topic.cfm?show=all&i=10548#post185858

that pretty much covers the first part of the dabacle.

By the way the 'friend' Angel is talking bout in there was the organizer of WBOB, he didn't have to say anything on the subject though, I for one heard he showed up in a jonny and the robba tee shirt looking for trouble at Angelsound's final from a couple of other sources. Lucky for him there was another, bigger shitfight by the end of the evening which got people talking.

before this all gets too spinal tap I'm signing off on this one.

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2005 8:26 am

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Appreciate your post on our website jonny and the robba ..

i also now know that your IP address is ###.##.###.###

Its been logged, so be careful what you do.

Post Edited: Please don't post IP addresses

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2005 10:31 am

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OK are you finished threatening us yet? You hate us, I get it, keep your shirt on...

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2005 10:49 am

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I dont hate you, just dislike some approaches that have been made.

And it just so happens that i have the IP address for whoever it was who just made the recent comment on our forums.

These things do get checked, and do get monitored - i hope you or anyone you know wouldn't be stupid enough to try anything there.

I dont personally go around bashing people, but if someone says shit about my band, they dont end up answering to me .. they end up answering to the others.

i dont know if i would want to mess with grant, hes a huge b*tch

RE: N Z gayest band
Posted: Tue Apr 5, 2005 6:16 pm

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Carpentry - I take back my comment about you acting like an immature prick. You appear to have a bit more credibility about yourself than your other band members.

I guess it's just a pity that you had to get "educated" about the incident this way.

Kraven - I agree with your point that some of the problem lies with the organisers, and they should have anticipated some abuse of the online voting system. However, I don't think anyone here is surprised that the voting got rigged, but it's what was done (or apparently not done) with the funds Jonny & the Robba received. Sure, I'd be pissed to find out that my band got cheated out of a potential hand-out, but if I can see that the funds are used properly, I'm not going to get hung up on it for long.

Point is, even if Jonny was just pulling someone's leg by saying they were going to keep the money, it appears that he's said to to several people at different times, and the (mis)information has gotten several people that are passionate about making music annoyed that someone would do that and effectively sabotage a fellow bands efforts.

Nuff said